us to speak and make some of that -- listen and allow us to speak and make that sort of empathic -- i wonder too, do you have experience of seeing where it effects the relationship between the rabbi and congregation in terms of what they might say from the pulpit or might teach in an adult education course or might decide how the religious school curriculum gets formulated and taught? >> we do. we see rabbis are less fearful once they have gone through a process. they are much more willing to stand up and talk about their values, and also makes space in the room for the congregation to talk about differing ways of viewing the situation. >> lay leadership? >> it has very much been impacted by this as well. the words are really coming to have to wrestle with these issues once they do people are changed this is a tons formative process i would say and people are not necessarily again, their minds don't necessarily change but their capacity to hold the whole spectrum is what changes. >> i think what is also important to say is that we live in a community where i think conservatively 25%